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Re: chinese herbs waseda read

From: waseda
Date: 01 Mar 2001
Time: 16:07:27
Remote Name: 211.120.77.137

Comments

For mulberry bark root, any Chinese can understand the correspondence, only if you tell them "Replace the English words with chinese characors: 'mulberry', 'white', 'skin'". For licorice, 'sweet', 'root'. For Shikon (Zi Cao), 'purple', 'root'.

William, I'm in Tokyo. You are on Guam. It's near Tokyo! If you have a chance to come to Tokyo, you can buy standardized high quality (approved by authority) herbs at 'Kinokuniya' in Akihabara, Tokyo.

Herbs are sold in the form of 500g vacuum packs.

Mulberry bark root corresponds to 'Souhakuhi',Chinese licorice to 'Kanzo', Zi Cao to 'Shikon', prilla leaf to 'Shisoyo' or 'Soyo'. There is a post office near the shop, you can easily send them to your country. Akihabara is a famous street of electric products

Re: Definitely Souhakuhi for women I recommend.

From: waseda
Date: 01 Mar 2001
Time: 19:09:38
Remote Name: 211.132.39.169

Comments

I suppose the urgent thing you must do now is to stop the proceeding hair fall outs. In addition, you have to heal your scalp tightness and itchiness. So, I strongly recommend Souhakuhi-extract, because it scarcely causes side effects other than possible alcoholic allergy. I have never heard of bad side effects in our country's forums. It's very mild and comfortable. Especially Shikon included will heal your exhausted scalp skin. In many cases, healing of scalp skin will inhibit further hair fall-outs.

Don't forget to try allegic check before using it

Re: Can you buy Souhakuhi extract fully processed  online?

From: waseda
Date: 04 Mar 2001
Time: 17:02:13
Remote Name: 211.120.77.102

Comments

Certainly, there is. But I NEVER recommend buying the product. The resons are:

1) TOO Expensive. One OEM maker sells it $51/100ml. Another maker sells a product including Souhakuhi-extract $167/1.5months use!!!! As they may certainly work, they must be bull in selling them.

2) We can't know the exact concentrations in such products. If you make it by yourself you can raise the concentration as you like. The recipe I showed has almost maximum concentration in the world. You can make the most powerful hair growther on the earth easily and at incredibly cheap cots. Even if you can't collect all ingredients, your necessary ingredients are only mulberry bark root(San(g) Pai Pi) and ethyl alcohol (or spirit). Yes, only two are enough.

3) If you look up 'Mulberry bark root' in google's engine, you can find it out as many as 3550. You must find some European herb shops in those items

Waseda - Souhakuhi Extracting Process

From:
Date: 06 Mar 2001
Time: 06:48:48
Remote Name: 216.165.5.120

Comments

As per your instructions, I have a bottle of herbs (Bai Pi, Gan Cao) waiting patiently in ethanol for one week to pass. How should the solution be preserved? In the fridge? Also, how long should it remain on the head? Can I use other topicals at the same time? Thanks in advance for your help. Your research has provided a lot of us with at least a shred of hope

Re: Waseda - Souhakuhi Extracting Process

From: waseda
Date: 06 Mar 2001
Time: 16:14:02
Remote Name: 211.13.142.230

Comments

After one week extraction, you have to squeeze the ingredients. Once you press out the juice, it won't degenerate for at least three months under room temperature according to my case. As I always use it up within three months, I can't say perishability of more than three months preservation.

This stuff is very mild and neutral. You can leave it on your scalp even during one day long. You can apply any hair care products over it. As for me, I apply Souhakuhi, minox, procyanidin (Mohkatsurin) altogether at once

Souhakuhi Extracting Process

From: shasmi
Date: 07 Mar 2001
Time: 08:10:51
Remote Name: 195.92.194.20

Comments

waseda, i started souhakuhi today. you said to press. that was quite hard because my ingredients weren`t powdered. i made a little press but it still didn`t extract any more liquid. i`ll powder my next batch. how do your press your grounds? i`m just now waiting for you to post your generic mohkatsurin to complete the three treatments. how are your mohkatsurin experiments going

Re: to Souhakuhi Extracting Process

From: waseda
Date: 07 Mar 2001
Time: 13:26:01
Remote Name: 211.132.32.67

Comments

To press the ingredients, I used face towel. But, as you suggest, powdered ingredients were far better to handle.

I have been trying the first version of generic Mohkatsurin. This is made of liquid type Grape Seed Extract. The result so far is very good but in fact it is by no means recommendable. The reason is the product (Grape Seed Extract by 'Innovative Naural Products in California) includes as much as 16% ascorbic acid. I personally don't feel stinging or itch but many must do.

However, I found event it more powerful than the product (Mohkatsurin) because the concentration of procyanidin is far high. I have measued the particular hair on my right temple. It was a vellus hair(1mm) at the start and now it is 8mm long.

Identify Souhakuhi vs Kanzo

From: baki
Date: 07 Mar 2001
Time: 10:16:41
Remote Name: 195.92.67.86

Comments

I've just gotten a batch of souhakuhi and kanzo but the herbalist hasn't written the names on the sides of the packets and now I'm not sure which is which! :-( I've taken pics of each and put them at:

http://www.kenshin.fsnet.co.uk/herbs.jpg

Please have a look and see if you can identify the two :-(

Many Thanks! Baki

Identify Souhakuhi vs Kanzo

From: shasmi
Date: 07 Mar 2001
Time: 11:34:12
Remote Name: 195.92.194.18

Comments

baki, it looks like the stuff on the right is gan cao(chinese licorice), and the left looks like mulberry bark. looks the same as what i got. i`d wait till someone else confirms this just to be sure. if you got the stuff online from the uk i`d be interested to know where

Identify Souhakuhi vs Kanzo

From: waseda
Date: 07 Mar 2001
Time: 15:06:25
Remote Name: 61.114.202.166

Comments

Kanzo (licorice, Gan Cao) is a twig and it looks thin. You can see another picture in

http://www.ancientway.com/Media/Products/1.gancao.jpg

Souhakuhi (Mulberry Bark Root, San(g) Bai Pi) looks rather white. You can see another picture in

http://www.ancientway.com/Media/Products/1.sangbaipi.jpg

waseda ,help please. souhakuhi extremely red

From: scooter
Date: 10 Mar 2001
Time: 05:20:59
Remote Name: 212.123.179.241

Comments

i prepared the souhakuhi extract. It has a strangely red colour.Is this caused by the zi cao? I used alcohol ketonatus ,a denaturised form of alcohol. I am wondering if this might have caused the strange colour of the extract. Is this form of alcohol safe in toppical use??

Thank you very much. I am very gratefull for the effort you put in to this forum .

Thanks Scooter

Re: waseda ,help please. souhakuhi extremely red

From: waseda
Date: 10 Mar 2001
Time: 09:13:57
Remote Name: 211.120.79.124

Comments

First, if the color you see looks like red wine, then it is the right color. Normally it is derived from Gi Cao (Shikon). Gi or Shi means purple. Even if you used water, resultant color might be strange red.

But, alcohol ketonatus seems to be a unique product in your country. Perhaps, it is artificially made un-drinkable form of alcohol, isn't it?

Sorry, it's difficult for me to answer the question about topical safety in this product.

type of alcohol in souhakuhi ???  ANYONE !!  Hairsite??

From: scooter
Date: 11 Mar 2001
Time: 10:07:05
Remote Name: 212.123.177.205

Comments

I prepared my souhakuhi in a type of alcohol called "alcohol ketonatus". Its an undrinkable form of alcohol wich i think is also called isopropyl alcohol. It is much cheaper because of tax laws in my country(since its undrinkable). Now i am not sure if its ok using topically and i do not want to poisson myself nor my hair.It was hard to get the ingredients for Souhakuhi and if not necessary i dont want to throw it away.Maybe somebody with some Pharmaceutical knowledge can answer my question??

Thanks scooter

Re: type of alcohol in souhakuhi ???  ANYONE !!  Hairsite??

From: baki
Date: 12 Mar 2001
Time: 19:32:19
Remote Name: 195.92.67.86

Comments

I think ethyl alcohol is another name for ethanol which is basically the drinkable form. Clearly this is ideal but can be difficult to find in places, which is why i'm forced to use vodka

Re: Ethanol or vodka in iteself is anti-DHT

From: waseda
Date: 12 Mar 2001
Time: 02:12:17
Remote Name: 211.13.141.200

Comments

Why you should cling to ethyl alcohol ( or drinkable spirits such as vodka ) is it can promote the conversion of DHT into less risky compounds like 17 beta diol:

Biochem Biophys Res Commun 1984 Jun 15;121(2):558-65

Ethanol directly increases dihydrotestosterone conversion to 5 alpha-androstan-3 beta,17 beta-diol and 5 alpha-androstan-3 alpha,17 beta-diol in rat Leydig cells.   Murono EP, Fisher-Simpson V   The direct effect of ethanol on dihydrotestosterone (DHT) conversion to 5 alpha-androstan-3 beta,17 beta-diol (3 beta-diol) and 5 alpha-androstan-3 alpha,17 beta-diol (3 alpha-diol) by adult rat Leydig cells was examined. Concentrations of ethanol comparable to blood levels of alcoholic men (2.2 - 65 mM) increased DHT conversion to 3 beta - and 3 alpha-diol, in direct relation to the dose of ethanol added; a 2-fold or greater stimulation was observed. Because this effect was blocked by 4-methylpyrazole or a saturating NADH concentration, these results suggest that this action is mediated by Leydig cell alcohol dehydrogenase activity. These results may have significant impact in the testis and/or other DHT sensitive tissues because ethanol may decrease the availability of the proposed active androgen.   PMID: 6375673, UI: 84231405

This demonstrates many paradoxical clinial date in which simple ethanol vehicle often promotes hair growth to some extent.

Thus, what may be alhohol ketonatus, you had better use ethyl alcohol or vodka

On Alcohol

From: iap
Date: 11 Mar 2001
Time: 18:47:52
Remote Name: 128.193.190.70

Comments

one can obtain alcohol tinctures of fenugreek (and i have actually)...

most herb books suggest vodka to make infusions - pure ethanol is hard to obtain becuase it's heavily regulated, though preferred by professionals

Re: alcohol

From: shasmi
Date: 12 Mar 2001
Time: 00:50:04
Remote Name: 195.92.194.19

Comments

iap, why don`t you make your own ethyl alcohol? it`s really simple and you won`t have to fork out money on buying vodka all the time

Re: alcohol

From: shasmi
Date: 13 Mar 2001
Time: 01:09:56
Remote Name: 195.92.194.14

Comments

you`ll find everthing you need to know at www.thickos.co.uk, in practice all you need is a plastic bin, the other things the site mentions, hydrometre, thermostat heater i found you don`t need. you just need a bin capable of holding about 5 gallons and somewhere like an airing cupboard to store. the more difficult bit is making the still, which is still quite easy. it`s illegal as well, which is a bonus. it`s hardly the crime of the century making moonshine is it

Substitute Vodka for Ethanol

From: Stoon
Date: 17 Mar 2001
Time: 10:00:42
Remote Name: 24.66.94.142

Comments

You had mentioned that you can substitute strong Voldka for ethyl alchohol? Is this possible

Substitute Vodka for Ethanol

From: waseda
Date: 17 Mar 2001
Time: 10:40:46
Remote Name: 211.132.36.30

Comments

Yes, vodka is an ideal substitute.

200proof of vodka=100% alcohol in US. 175proof of vodka=100% alcohol in UK.

Then, if you get 100 proof vodka in US, it is the same as 50% alcoholic water solution and if you must extract some herb with 70% alcoholic solution for one week but really use that vodka, the soaking time will be 7*(7/5)=10 days instead of 7 days. Of course this is extreme simplification

is enthanol same as ethanol????? anyone???

From: ken
Date: 17 Mar 2001
Time: 22:20:16
Remote Name: 192.169.41.34

Comments

hi! is enthanol the same as ethanol, is it ethyl alcohol??? the enthanol is however brought in a wine shop. thanks!!!

Re: Alcohol

From: breal
Date: 18 Mar 2001
Time: 13:45:24
Remote Name: 63.212.143.76

Comments

Not Waseda but I'll try to answer, b/c I've already asked him some of these questions.

"1st question: Is this in addition to the 100-200ml of pure water? What is PURE water, just regular tap water from one's home?"

just regular old water, some people are using distilled water. I personally dont think there is much of a difference.

"2nd question: To enhance Souhakuhi, I could add 10-30g of Kanzo and optionally 10g of Shikon, but neither Kanzo or Shikon are absolutely necessary, correct? Isn't Kanzo necessary because it contains licorice root? If many are buying licorice extract from stores and substituting it for Souhakuhi, then I'd think Kanzo is definitely required, no? It seems that licorice is a key ingredient, yes?"

I bought all of the ingredients. The only optional one from the directions posted on the new to zinc is shikon.

I combine everything and let stand for one week, as per your instructions.

3rd question: I do not need to boil these ingredients, just agitate (shake) the jar a bit everyday for one week, correct?

Thats what he said

4th question: When you say ethyl alcohol should be 70 80% base, how is this figured? 100ml(pure water)\400ml (ethyl alcohol) = 75% ethyl base. Did I figure that out right?

Correct

5th question: For you U.S. residents, where does one normally buy ethyl alcohol (ethanol), drug store (I'm a U.S. citizen living in the Northeast)? Why is it so difficult to buy?

You cannot buy ethyl alcohol from stores. If you can buy everclear which is I believe is 190 proof or vodka. Ethyl alcohol is 200 proof

Last question: I can apply 1 or 2ml of Souhakuhi either once or twice a day, correct?

its dose dependent so the more you apply the better. Waseda said he uses it twice a day, along with top spiro, minox, and morehair.

Hope that helps

Re:Caution, Correction: Avoid denatured ethanol!!!

From: waseda
Date: 19 Mar 2001
Time: 04:06:00
Remote Name: 211.132.37.48

Comments

Excuse me, please let me correct my pots.

Denatured ethanol is very dangerous if you or your family wrongly take it orally. Never use it as vehicle for any hair growth stuff!!!!!!

DON"T USE DEGENERATED ETHANOL

high-proof vodka in the UK?

From: baki
Date: 26 Mar 2001
Time: 15:39:09
Remote Name: 195.92.67.74

Comments

Hi everyone,

I was wondering if anyone knew where to get high-alcohol vodka in the UK? So far all I could find was 37.5% so I've been using that but I gather that this is sub-optimal... anyone?

Cheers, baki

Re: high-proof vodka in the UK?

From: shasmi
Date: 27 Mar 2001
Time: 01:03:50
Remote Name: 195.92.194.16

Comments

i got 40% vodka from morrisons, it was morrisons own brand. don`t know if you have a store near you, or if it`s worth it being only slightly stronger. what i plan to do is buy the cheapest vodka i can find and run it through my still that i made, to get ethyl. i, attempted making my own vodka, which turned into a bit of a disaster. untill i figure out how to do it successfully, that`s what i`ll be doing

Re: high-proof vodka in the UK?

From: baki
Date: 27 Mar 2001
Time: 15:10:40
Remote Name: 195.92.67.74

Comments

thanks for the response...

40% is probably still too low too (well ok, still better than the 37.5% that I'm using!) ... how do you plan to isolate pure alcohol out of it? Are you going to just heat it in a closed container or something and run a pipe out for the alcohol fumes or something or can you get some custom equipment

Re: high-proof vodka in the UK?

From: shasmi
Date: 28 Mar 2001
Time: 00:09:36
Remote Name: 195.92.194.17

Comments

baki,i made a still from copper pipe that i coiled which i fitted into a builder`s bucket. i, then drilled a hole in the lid of a saucepan and attactched a pipe fitting and connected a bit of clear pipe the the still. i then heated to 80 degrees so the alcohol would seperate and condense in the still. in practice though the alcohol was condensing in the plastic tube before it got to the still, so i wasted my time making one. all you need really is saucepan with a lid (tight fitting so the vapours do not come into contact with the naked flame) and some kind of fitting where the steam can escape to your tube. good luck

Grounding

From: breal
Date: 12 Mar 2001
Time: 08:35:31
Remote Name: 192.149.4.6

Comments

I just ordered the ingredients for souhakuhi, the place I ordered from will ground up the mulberry bark for me but the directions on the new to zinc say nothing about grounding up the other two ingredients, Should they be ground up too? You also say "As for me, I apply Souhakuhi, minox, procyanidin (Mohkatsurin) altogether at once." Do you do this once a day or twice? and what about topical spiro, when does that get used. Any directions for Mohkatsurim yet? And lastly thank you for all of your help, it is greatly appreciated by all of us

Re: Grounding

From: waseda
Date: 13 Mar 2001
Time: 19:18:15
Remote Name: 211.132.38.85

Comments

Of course grounding into fine chips will be better than coarse. But if you already get ingredients, you have only to crush them into small chips by means of for instance a hammer with them in a plastic bag.

<<As for me, I apply Souhakuhi, minox, procyanidin (Mohkatsurin) altogether at once.>>

I do this twice a day. Topical spiro is applied before 10-30 minutes. After dry, spiro's powder leaves on my scalp and minox, Souhakuhi, and (generic) Mohkatsurin dissolve it.

Waseda: Souhakuhi preparation question

From: Thanks
Date: 12 Mar 2001
Time: 14:18:50
Remote Name: 206.29.197.150

Comments

Earler instructions from Waseda:

>>> Steep herbs in the alcohol solution for about one week, press and squeeze with cloth, and strain it if possible.

Waseda, I soaked the herbs in 100 proof vodka for 2 weeks. Now do I:

1) Throw away the alcohol solution, and squeeze the herbs for the extract.

or

2) Squeeze the herbs into the alcohol soultion and use that as the extract?

Thanks

Re: Waseda: Souhakuhi preparation question

From: waseda
Date: 13 Mar 2001
Time: 19:43:15
Remote Name: 211.13.141.119

Comments

Thanks, your 2) is correct. Don't throw away the alcohol.

And you use 100 proof vadka?? Is it 100% alcohol? If so, add water to thin it into 70% or so in using. For some water must be needed for penetration

Re: Souhakuhi – Propylene Glycol

From: waseda
Date: 14 Mar 2001
Time: 21:39:22
Remote Name: 211.132.34.244

Comments

Propylene glycol is often added in hair growth products in order to hold stickiness and wetness. It's a kind of controller of penetration time.

In Souhakuhi's case, Kanzo(licorice) is used for stickiness and wetness instead of propylene glycol and it works well the role.

Please don't use propylene glycol

Re: WASEDA – ADDING LICORICE EXTRACT TO SOUHAKUHI AND MINOX

From: waseda
Date: 17 Mar 2001
Time: 09:25:34
Remote Name: 211.132.36.12

Comments

Paul, if you will use Souhakuhi-extract, you need not add licorice extract, because normal making Souhakuhi already includes licorice in it. But if you won't use Souhakuhi, it's good idea to add licorice extract to minox. No need of extra alcohol. Minox products(other than Xandrox12.5%) usually contain enough alcohol.

Your regimen is very similar to that of people who posted as "I am on the way to recovery using ....." in our country except spiro solution

Souhakuhi, Waseda and U.S. residents

From: Daman
Date: 18 Mar 2001
Time: 13:18:11
Remote Name: 12.78.217.125

Comments

First, Waseda,let me thank you for being so diligent in responding to so many questions.

I now understand how to make the zinc oxide solution (I'm waiting for my zinc to arrive)

The next thing I need to tackle is Souhakuhi. From reading various posts, the only 2 necessary ingredients for making Souhakuhi are 100g of mulberry bark root (called San(g)Pai Pi) and 400 ml of ethyl alcohol (or spirits).

1st question: Is this in addition to the 100-200ml of pure water? What is PURE water, just regular tap water from one's home?

2nd question: To enhance Souhakuhi, I could add 10-30g of Kanzo and optionally 10g of Shikon, but neither Kanzo or Shikon are absolutely necessary, correct? Isn't Kanzo necessary because it contains licorice root? If many are buying licorice extract from stores and substituting it for Souhakuhi, then I'd think Kanzo is definitely required, no? It seems that licorice is a key ingredient, yes?

I combine everything and let stand for one week, as per your instructions.

3rd question: I do not need to boil these ingredients, just agitate (shake) the jar a bit everyday for one week, correct?

4th question: When you say ethyl alcohol should be 70 80% base, how is this figured? 100ml(pure water)\400ml (ethyl alcohol) = 75% ethyl base. Did I figure that out right?

5th question: For you U.S. residents, where does one normally buy ethyl alcohol (ethanol), drug store (I'm a U.S. citizen living in the Northeast)? Why is it so difficult to buy?

Last question: I can apply 1 or 2ml of Souhakuhi either once or twice a day, correct?

Thank you

Re: Souhakuhi, Waseda and U.S. residents

From: breal
Date: 18 Mar 2001
Time: 13:45:24
Remote Name: 63.212.143.76

Comments

Not Waseda but I'll try to answer, b/c I've already asked him some of these questions.

"1st question: Is this in addition to the 100-200ml of pure water? What is PURE water, just regular tap water from one's home?"

just regular old water, some people are using distilled water. I personally dont think there is much of a difference.

"2nd question: To enhance Souhakuhi, I could add 10-30g of Kanzo and optionally 10g of Shikon, but neither Kanzo or Shikon are absolutely necessary, correct? Isn't Kanzo necessary because it contains licorice root? If many are buying licorice extract from stores and substituting it for Souhakuhi, then I'd think Kanzo is definitely required, no? It seems that licorice is a key ingredient, yes?"

I bought all of the ingredients. The only optional one from the directions posted on the new to zinc is shikon.

I combine everything and let stand for one week, as per your instructions.

3rd question: I do not need to boil these ingredients, just agitate (shake) the jar a bit everyday for one week, correct?

Thats what he said

4th question: When you say ethyl alcohol should be 70 80% base, how is this figured? 100ml(pure water)\400ml (ethyl alcohol) = 75% ethyl base. Did I figure that out right?

Correct

5th question: For you U.S. residents, where does one normally buy ethyl alcohol (ethanol), drug store (I'm a U.S. citizen living in the Northeast)? Why is it so difficult to buy?

You cannot buy ethyl alcohol from stores. If you can buy everclear which is I believe is 190 proof or vodka. Ethyl alcohol is 200 proof

Last question: I can apply 1 or 2ml of Souhakuhi either once or twice a day, correct?

its dose dependent so the more you apply the better. Waseda said he uses it twice a day, along with top spiro, minox, and morehair.

Hope that helps

Souhakuhi , hairback - powder

From: Daman
Date: 18 Mar 2001
Time: 13:34:04
Remote Name: 12.78.217.125

Comments

You had highly recommended using powdered (and/or extract) herbs instead of regular forms (leaves, roots, barks, etc). What are the various amounts of all ingredients you used? Did you simply combine the powders and add them to pure water and ethyl alcohol? Did you have to boil? I need to know all the exact steps.

Thank you

Re: Waseda, or anyone help on souhakuhi and morehairin PLS

From: waseda
Date: 20 Mar 2001
Time: 10:16:19
Remote Name: 211.120.76.2

Comments

No, blue. Gan Cao is not cinammon. Gan Cao is Chinese licorice tha meaning is 'sweet root' and you can always recognize it as it tastes sweet.

Sang bai pi and Sang pai bi are perhaps difference of dialect. Sang=mulberry. It' certainly a tree

Try this link if you are interesting in pictures.

From: Andy-s
Date: 20 Mar 2001
Time: 14:15:18
Remote Name: 213.142.69.105

Comments

http://www.ancientway.com/Pages/Cart.bulk.g.i.html

Re: WASEDA Difference in licorce

From: waseda
Date: 20 Mar 2001
Time: 13:11:26
Remote Name: 211.120.76.2

Comments

Paul, you may be confused.

Souhakuhi----main ingredient is Souhakuhi (mulberry bark root)

Morehairin----main ingredient is procyanidin

licorice is supporting actor in both cases, though it is necessary

WASEDA - mixing Souhakuhi + Morehairin

From: Paul
Date: 20 Mar 2001
Time: 13:57:03
Remote Name: 12.98.56.55

Comments

I am awaiting Mulberry root and chinese licorce to make Souhakuhi.

Can I mix Souhakuhi & moreharin together.

Basically Souhakuhi plus GSE

Thx

Paul

WASEDA - mixing Souhakuhi + Morehairin

From: waseda
Date: 20 Mar 2001
Time: 14:43:50
Remote Name: 211.120.76.2

Comments

No problem, but don't forget to cling to 100-150mg /day procyanidin amount

TO  Waseda   "Zi Cao Gen" = Mulberry ?

From: John
Date: 20 Mar 2001
Time: 18:54:25
Remote Name: 209.244.132.167

Comments

AT http://www.ancientway.com/Pages/Cart.bulk.q.s.html They sell "Zi Cao Gen" I was wondering if that is the same as "Zi Cao" ie.."Mulberry bark root". Also you wrote "Prepare a glass of water and add a HALF SPOON of Ascorbic acid powder into it ...."Italics are mine",What measuring spoon TBSP or TSP. I would like to thank evryoneone who has contributed no matter how small. Thankyou

Re: TO  Waseda   "Zi Cao Gen"

From: baki
Date: 20 Mar 2001
Time: 21:22:22
Remote Name: 195.92.67.74

Comments

"zi cao" is chinese for shikon and is different from mulberry bark root (this is "sang bai pi").

as for the ascorbic acid, assuming that your glass is about 150ml, to make a 10% solution, you should be using a tablespoon (very roughly

Souhaki- Chinatown NYC

From: Strasslers
Date: 22 Mar 2001
Time: 11:58:27
Remote Name: 38.164.64.3

Comments

Any chance of finding something like this in chinatown in new york city? I know it's available through the internet, but since I only live about a 15 minute walk from chinatown, I figured maybe I should try there first. Anyone from NYC and know if something like this might be available? Waseda, would you expect Souhaki to be available in NYC chinatown or is it very rare and only available from overseas through mailorder. Thanks for all you help.

Carl

Re: Souhaki- Chinatown NYC

From: waseda
Date: 22 Mar 2001
Time: 14:04:35
Remote Name: 211.120.76.186

Comments

Souhakuhi aka Sang Pai Bi (Or dialect: San(g) Bai Pi) means Sang =mulberry, Pai=white, Bi=bark, skin and you can illustrate it as'Whie bark of mulberry root'. If he or she can't understand English as is the case in Chinatown, asocitate it as "Tree, silk worms eat the leaves. I want white root." Really it looks white. More white, the better the quality.

Licorice is easy to identify, as it tastes sweet.

Perilla leaf is easy to illustrate. It's relatively famous as 'Shi-So' in Sushi bar. Though the leaves added to sushi are green, herbal perilla leaf is purple.

Green tea extract is certainly works as inhibiting DHT and preventing hair loss. But, as I repeatedly posted, some other *hair gowth factors* must be required for germination. Almost hairs are satisfied with their present situations. They may not fall out, but are existing there as they are. Somebody has to call to them, 'Hey, come on Joe!!'.

But, many Japanese guys do rinsing with green tea, and almost all posts from them report good results, though they don't say *germination*. I think keeping green tea rinsing will be good for your scalp health.

souhakuki important question waseda???

From: ken
Date: 23 Mar 2001
Time: 08:06:13
Remote Name: 192.169.41.46

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sorry to bother u again but just now i try squeezing the herbs after dipping them in ethanol for a week and there is just very little extract dripping out from the cloth that i used (a thin cloth). i think around 99% is the alcohol solution and 1% is what i squeeze out. waseda how come it is like this? is the solution as effective as the juice extract out?? because what i conclude is that all the goodness of the herbs are alreadly inside the solution. thanks!!! i am confused

Re: souhakuki important question waseda???

From: waseda
Date: 23 Mar 2001
Time: 08:32:19
Remote Name: 211.132.37.137

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It's the normal extraction process in almost all laboratories and Universities. One week (for Souhakuhi case) to one month (for Senburi case) steeping is enough for fat-soluble compounds to extract into ethanol. Alcoholic water solution has already absorbed the necessary stuff. Squeezing is only the last bonus. Now your solution is strong hair grower

Souhakuhi, how come the extract is so much than the solution? waseda??

From: blue
Date: 23 Mar 2001
Time: 23:33:24
Remote Name: 202.154.60.130

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i just noticed how the extract exceeds the amount of the alcohol and water solution is that correct? i mean the water+ alcohol only counts for 600 ml and the extract put in is like 100g+30+30? and when i put it in the container it seems that almost all of the solution are absorbed by the extract

Re: Souhakuhi, how come the extract is so much than the solution?...

From: waseda
Date: 24 Mar 2001
Time: 07:08:27
Remote Name: 211.13.142.50

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Suppose you have 600ml water+alcohol and 100g +30g mulberry bark root + Kanzo + Shikon in container.

Perhaps, your solid roots look filling the liquid solution. It's all right.

Wait for one week, with tightly closed lid in order not to evaporate.

After one week, prepare a bowl. Spread a sheet of thin cloth over it. Pour the solution in the container. Liquid solution will enter into the bowl through the cloth. Next, wrap the part of the roots with the cloth and squeeze the extract into tne bowl. If the roots driy, throw away them, and wrap another part of roots and squeeze the extract into the bowl. Repeat the procedure and you should have at least 300ml to at most 450ml of extract in the bowl at last. In short, you should get at least 50% to at most 75% of original liquid solution

Waseda: Souhakuhi

From: Daman
Date: 24 Mar 2001
Time: 08:03:17
Remote Name: 12.78.208.67

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Is it better to use the powdered forms of these Souhakuhi herbs or should I stick with the non-powdered forms? I'm assuming that after one week of steeping, I will pour the solution (powdered form) into a bowl through a thin cloth. The excess powder should be filtered by the cloth as the solution pours into the bowl. Then I should be able to squeeze the cloth with the powdered herbs in it to remove more solution.The powder is more expensive but it is said to be more potent. Do you believe that is true

Re: Waseda: Souhakuhi

From: waseda
Date: 24 Mar 2001
Time: 08:53:23
Remote Name: 211.132.37.148

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If the powdered form of root is not the so called 'extracted powder', it's best as you claim.

Extracted powder is often made through water boiling and freezed dry method. We need only fat-soluble constituent of Souhakuhi.

Powdered raw root is much potent because cell walls are crushed.

Daman, would you let us know where to get the powdered form on new title thread

Souhakuhi experience, etc.

From: BaldyBill
Date: 26 Mar 2001
Time: 10:09:53
Remote Name: 168.39.181.224

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Friday I got the three herbs to make Souhakuhi and discovered that if you make this in a quart jar you may have some problems mixing the correct ratios of dry herbs unless you have a gram scale, luckily I had one.

This is the ratio of ingredients I used, and I think it will work-- 28 gms. Bai Pi, 8 gms. Gan Cao, and 3 gms. Zi Cao, which is roughly the ratios Waseda advised, it need not be exact. The herbs I placed into the jar to just under 1/3 by volume. Then I covered the herb with boiling water (a practice Waseda says is not necessary, but I must follow my own experiences as an amateur herbalist), capped and cooled the mixture, then filled the rest of the jar with pure grain alcohol. The resulting alcohol content should be roughly 70%.

I found that the cost of whole herb was only 1/4th of the powdered variety, and probably somewhat fresher. In total about a pound of the three herbs was $22.00. I estimate that will make about 7-9 quart jars of Souhakuhi. As you can see, the herb is cheap. The cost of 2/3 quart of pure alcohol is roughly $7.00 so you can do the math and see that it's not expensive for the amount you get.

I was able to grind the whole herb using an herb grinder I already had. The Bai Pi did not grind to a powder, but became a fluffy, fiberous substance, the other two herbs ground to a fine powder.

After 2 weeks I will strain some off and use it, the remainder I will leave for as long as 10 weeks and use as I need it. I have a tincture press so I can squeeze every drop out of the final mixture. I will make two other batches while the one I just made is getting itself ready for use. I will use a first-in, first-out inventory method so I can always have a ready to use supply.

I realize that not everyone out there has an electronic gram scale so next time I will try to remember to measure the herbs by tablespoons and report back. Just remember to not exceed 1/3 of the jar with the dry herbs. By the way electronic gram scales are about $40.00

Re: Souhakuhi experience, etc.

From: Paul
Date: 26 Mar 2001
Time: 11:28:00
Remote Name: 12.98.56.55

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Bill:

I assume you followed the following?

1. Pure water version( for 2 or 3 months use)

ethyl alcohol 400ml pure water 100-200ml ( In short around 70%-80% ethanol solution is the base) Souhakuhi(San(g) Bai Pi, mulberry bark root) 100g (if possible finely crush ) Kanzo(Gan Cao, Chinese licorice, Glycyrrhiza uralensis) 10g-30g Shikon(Zi Cao, Lithospermum erythrorhizon) 10g------Optional

If you can not get ethyl alcohol due to some laws, vodka can do. As the effective compound is known to fat(alcohol)-soluble, high concentration of alcohol is better but up to 80%.

Though Kanzo is a few in weight, it works as anti-androgenic, anti- inflammatory effects as well as propylene glycole-like sticky effect. It is known this much usage of Kanzo never causes side-effects of lowering too much testosterone or liver damage etc. based on a long experience of traditional medicine. Most herbal treatments use Kanzo 1-2g as one ingredient per day in case of oral applications. 10-30g usage for 2- 3month topically is enough under the level of normal usage(60-180g ).

Shikon is a very safe (it's really a natural anti-cancer, anti-fungal, anti-inflammatory stuff) but potent tissue regenerator and preferable if you suffer from scalp inflammation.

Steep herbs in the alcohol solution for about one week, press and squeeze with cloth, and strain it if possible.

NOTE: Once you have finished extracting, you may thinn the solution at the concentration of 50-60% if your scalp hates high concentrated alcoholic soluttion. But remember that the effective compound is highly fat-soluble, and too low concentration of alcohol may cause mal-penetration.

Apply the extract 1-2ml once and twice a day *topically*. The most possible side effect is thickening of eyebrow. We don't hear of facial hair thickening different from minox. I think this might explain the fact that Souhakuhi is also applied to female clinically.

2. perilla leaf extract version(for atopic or inflammatory scalp)

Replace pure water with the same amount of perilla leaf extract in the above treatment. Perilla leaf extract is made of boiling perilla leaf in the hot water for 30minutes and throwing away the grounds. The aomunt ratio is perilla leaf 1: water5-8. For example perilla leaf 20g : water 100-160cc. You don't have to think of the rigidity. Perilla leaf is sold as Chinese name: Zi Su Ye.

Caution: Do allergic check before using. Souhakuhi is generally a very safe stuff but it mildly causes blood flow improvement (through slow normalization of vascular lipid )thus lowers the blood pressure locally. If you feel some abnormal blood pressure or heart disorder, stop immediately applying and consult your home doctor.

3. Using with spironolactone ethanol solution and/or minox

Many users Souhakuhi extract along with topical spironolactone solution and/or minox without troubles. There have never been bad conflicts till now. Addition of procyanidin makes no problem.

4. How to get the resources

The followings are examples I happened to find.

Souhakuhi-----mulberry ( MORUS ALBA) bark root, Sang Bai Pi at for example

http://herbalchemy.com/BULK1.HTM http://www.ancientway.com/Pages/Cart.bulk.q.s.html http://www.herbtrader.com/837.html

Kanzo------Gan Cao, Chinese licorice

There are many sellers on Gan Cao on the web net. http://www.ancientway.com/Pages/Cart.bulk.g.i.html

Shikon-----Zi Cao(Lithospermum erythrorhizon) at for example

as the name of 'lithospermum root zi cao powder (5678)' at http:// herbalchemy.com/BULK1.HTM#JKL

Perilla leaf-----Zi Su Ye at for example

http://www.ancientway.com/Pages/HerbsByCat.html

The resources are relatively inexpensive and making is easy. As the results appear comparatively fast, for instance hair-loss slowing, to try it is worthy.

Many users make use of it along with the zinc oxide therapy. Some try drinking a little (0.5ml-1ml per day) instead of Loniten (oral minox). Side effect in case of oral intake is unknown. Check the heart disorder if you take it orally. In fact this tastes like a kind of cocktail.

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I seems like you are not adding enough of the Mulberry root(100 gr.) and Licorce powder (10 to 30gr) as in the above recipe

Paul

Souhakuki question – how does it work ?

From: BaldyBill
Date: 30 Mar 2001
Time: 07:38:57
Remote Name: 168.39.181.197

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Why does Souhakuhi work? In other words, what are its actions when taken internally and externally

Re: Souhakuki question. – how does it work ?

From: waseda
Date: 30 Mar 2001
Time: 11:49:19
Remote Name: 211.120.78.169

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The effective constituent of Souhakuhi is known to be a kind of tocopherol, that is it belongs to Viatmin E family.(http://www2.ocn.ne.jp/~effect/bunnkenn3.htm).

So, drinking Souhakuhi means intake of a special kind of Viatmin E. This will work on your blood capillary of your scalp.

It may have one side effect though not bad. Souhakuhi may prevent atherosclerosis through anti-oxidation. The study refers to the leaf of mulberry, but it will apply to the bark like almost all plants.

Biol Pharm Bull 2000 Sep;23(9):1066-71 Related Articles, Books

Mulberry leaf extract inhibits the oxidative modification of rabbit and human low density lipoprotein

Doi K, Kojima T, Fujimoto Y

Department of Food and Drug, Kanagawa Prefectural Public Health Laboratories, Yokohama, Japan. doi@mxi.mesh.ne.jp

[Record supplied by publisher]

In a previous study, we demonstrated that the intake of mulberry leaves or their 1-butanol extract (MLBE) reduced the concentration of serum lipids and atheromatous thickening of arterial intima in hypercholesterolemic rabbits. In the present study, we investigated the antioxidative activity of MLBE and isoquercitrin, the main component of MLBE. First, we determined the effect on a stable radical agent, finding that quercetin, isoquercitrin and MLBE scavenged the DPPH radical. We then determined the copper-induced oxidative modification of rabbit and human low-density lipoprotein (LDL). Oxidation of LDL was spectrophotometrically monitored by changes in absorbance at 234 nm accompanied by the formation of conjugated dienes, and measured the formation of thiobarbituric acid reacting substances (TBARS). Quercetin, an aglycone of isoquercitrin, inhibited the formation of conjugated dienes and TBARS by copper-induced oxidative modification of rabbit and human LDLs. MLBE and isoquercitrin also inhibited the oxidation of LDL. These results indicate that mulberry leaves inhibit the oxidative modification of LDL and suggest that mulberry leaves may had prevent atherosclerosis.

PMID: 10993206

WASEDA - ALCOLOL CONTENT

From: Paul
Date: 30 Mar 2001
Time: 12:05:30
Remote Name: 12.98.56.55

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To make Soukayaki I did the following.

I did the following

mulberry bark root) 100g (if possible finely crush ) Kanzo(Gan Cao, Chinese licorice in 400ml VODKA 80 proof which 40% alcohol by volume.

Do I need to add any water to this mixture? I have been told to steep contents in Vodka for about 10 days.

Is this okay?

Paul

Re: WASEDA - ALCOLOL CONTENT

From: waseda
Date: 30 Mar 2001
Time: 12:11:25
Remote Name: 211.120.78.169

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It's perfect, Paul. You need not water